Orcus awakens: help!

Okay, my day is piling up with the synchronicities. I have been having a tough few days, maybe – arguably – a tough few weeks. I want everyone who reads this to understand though, that this is quite possibly more than just astro-vanity, it is quite possibly insightful.

Orcus in red, Pluto in green

Orcus in red, Pluto in green

I have spent some time looking at this intriguing diagram which describes something powerful and rather symmetrically beautiful about the orbits of Orcus and Pluto. For those who are not yet aware, Orcus is a planet, technically in contemporary parlance a plutoid, it is somewhat smaller than Pluto, but its orbital period is identical to Pluto (248 years) and it follows a near identical path around the ecliptic, though offset, it was discovered 74 years to the day after Pluto was discovered and it was named by those atrologically-phobic astronomers Orcus after the Roman name for Pluto, who was later known as Dis Pater. Inevitably it ought to have something to do with Pluto. There are several theories about this and I shall quote them to save you trawling about:

From Planet Waves, by Eric Frances: “ Sedgwick proposes that this planet can symbolize “a person of one’s word, [one who] challenges broken promises, is aligned with a spiritual creed, [and is] accountable for personal thought, word and deed.” On the more difficult side, he suggests, “hypocritical, fault finding in the ways of others, blame assigning, ducks responsibility for word and actions, unable to keep promises.”

Francesco Sciavinotto suggests that this planet is involved in the fight for survival. I would add that there is a feeling of the ethics that one would apply or adopt when faced with such a fight, and the psychological and emotional steps toward getting there .”

So, just what the world needs, actually just what I need with an overdose of Scorpio, more life and death stuff. But I wasn’t worried, even though I have been feeling strangely compelled to look at Orcus more seriously; it has been striking me quite forcefully of late that I ought to find out more about this subject.

Bear with me.

So next I read about Orcus on the excellent Karmastrology: but it is not helping me because as the author says: “I’ve been following Orcus in the charts of my clients for over a year now, and it’s not altogether obvious what’s going on either by natal position or by transit. Orcus is holding tight onto his secret. So far, the most significant observation I have is that there is no dramatic observation to be made as yet. This is particularly true with transits involving Orcus. They’re pretty quiet, at least amongst the people I’m seeing.

Now, you know the rule that says if you want to understand a planetary energy, wait till it contacts Jupiter in your astrology and you’re away; well I was looking at the placement of Orcus in the heavens right now, and guess what? Yep, smack at a conjunction with my Jupiter.

This makes me want to weep quite frankly, because I am struggling like crazy after I helped two clients in a row who were struggling themselves from some problems very similar to my own issues and difficulties (astrologically as well as subjectively); but I had developed a method of putting the lid on things, but since I have – if you like – made contact with the energies of another person who is struggling with symmetrical themes, it is as if I have let the cat out of the bag and I am in turmoil. Actually I am really struggling, I thought it was all Neptune, but of course now I am not completely certain. My Jupiter is conjunct Venus, Pallas and Pars Fortuna in a tight stellium on Regulus, so it’s a real hotspot for me and Orcus grinding over it all has really brought it all bubbling up; I feel like I am going to fall apart/explode/sob uncontrollably, it is just awful.

I am trying to keep myself centred and I am consoling myself with the knowledge that at least I am getting a feel for Orcus, at first-hand, but it is not fun.

BUT, all that aside, Orcus is feeling pretty intense to me right now, am I the only one? Did I get it wrong? It’s not my wisdom, the Jupiter transit trick is tried and tested right?

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18 comments on “Orcus awakens: help!

  1. max says:

    BUT, all that aside, Orcus is feeling pretty intense to me right now, am I the only one? Did I get it wrong? It’s not my wisdom, the Jupiter transit trick is tried and tested right?

    Well, hrmm. Not yet. It forms a ASC/DSC sextile/trine and it’s not really opposite anything at the moment. It won’t reach my Jupiter (3Vir54) for a bit yet. Personally, I’ve been thinking it was all TNeptune square Sun (and TSaturn conjunct Jupiter) but maybe not…

    but what I am realising is that I have never dealt with it all, not really.

    Crying is fine, but please no imploding. Dealing with it is difficult but good, rather like a giant splinter out of your leg or something.

    max
    ['The downside is that you always get to deal with it to some extent, but you can turn it into real muscle.']

  2. chirotic says:

    Very brave of you to comment Max :)
    Saturn transiting your Jupiter ought to magnify all of those lovely Saturn in Virgo feelings right? How’s the new fitness regime going? :)

    And you are *so* right about the splinter!

  3. JohnNCalif says:

    I didn’t realize you kept something of a daily blog, but happy to discover that fact. So looking at my natal Pholus, it’s 4 degrees past my Jupiter in late Capricorn (Second House). And that means that I’ve been having a transit of Jupiter over Pholus (and Jupiter over Jupiter) of late.

    So what’s happening in my life lately? Yeah, a lot of pain. My mother, beloved, passed away 10 days ago at 93, and now, as of Tuesday, we’ve finshed up with her last ceremonies, and the last of far-flung family left for their homes yesterday. I lived with my mother and was her carer/caregiver these last 6 and a half years. Quite a journey!

    I should say that my life is not free of mommy-type conflictions (but not afflictions) and I’m at a loss(?) of what sort of impression to subscribe to when I hear of your experience with your mother, Jeremy. But curious and solicitous am I, of your suffering in that regard.

    Before deciding to take care of my mom full time I was a world wanderer/free and independent spirit of sorts. Big change. Now I’m to be free again, but as of yet I am feeling anything but free of the emotional debris of all this. I really appreciated what you’ve said about the way the world views our exercise of actual compassion. Spoke to me directly.

    And add to your synchronicity [and mine] that:
    well I was looking at the placement of Orcus in the heavens right now, and guess what? Yep, smack at a conjunction with my Jupiter.__ . . .
    while my [John's] Jupiter is conjuncting my Pholus, and I discover Chirotic Journal . . . Hmmmm!

  4. max says:

    Very brave of you to comment Max

    It is?

    Saturn transiting your Jupiter ought to magnify all of those lovely Saturn in Virgo feelings right? How’s the new fitness regime going?

    I’ve been on the lifetime fitness routine. I’m getting the bureaucracy.

    max
    ['Blah.']

  5. zara says:

    I have never commented on any such website before, but I am compelled to do so after reading your post, Max. I was struggling (mentally) to help my son resolve old problems haunting him. Caught up in finding a solution, I cast a chart for that moment. The problem revolves around his father – and the utter turmoil the man has inflicted on my son’s(our) life. The chart was auspicious – and lo and behold – Orcus is conjunct my house of partners (7th): The problems ALL revolve upon the fact the father (my partner) has NPD (narcissistic personality disorder) – big time.

  6. frititaaaaaaaa! says:

    I had a work offer, just when ascendant conjuncrs my Orcus… an insurance comercial job :P, they said to me that formation courses where paid, but at the end of the morning… a lot of excuses broke this promise, i feel that something was wrong personally with me, maybe a so cualified profile. I feel a little scammed, and forced to continue to waste my time by free…
    At 18:00 ascendent conjunts my fortunae pars, and i received a paid offer in a communication agency…! not so much, but at least, they pay my time…: and only for univertitary people..::D:D:D
    At the same time my first “employer” interupt this call… ( may she did feel my energy going out of her control…?)i feel better… having an economic excuse for going away… Thanks for your report… I should wacht to this Orcus more near.:D

  7. karenbeth47 says:

    how about Orcus, being like a cleaner sweeper at a deeper level, one that takes you from the personal to the collective.As Pluto transits a planet, Orcus is transiting something it aspects

  8. LB says:

    Hi Jeremy – This Orcus is interesting, especially as it relates to broken promises (and sobbing/exploding).

    On the day our new neighbors moved in, the Sun conjoined Orcus in my 12th (within 2 degrees of natal Pluto) and both formed a tight square with my natal 9th house Mars – Mars and Pluto rule my 3rd. Adding to the fun is transiting Pluto, traveling back and forth through my 4th, recently in opposition to natal Orcus – when Pluto turns direct, there’s probably more to come on that front!

    Although we’ve held to our original tenancy agreement, our new neighbors and landlord have not. Our ongoing frustration over the deception, disrespect and disregard relating to our living arrangement has caused reactions not always in keeping with my own spiritual creed – after numerous attempts at friendly diplomacy failed, I got pissed, to say the least and took the bait. And although we’ve continued to honor the original terms of our agreement (and continue to be respectful neighbors), I’ve found it VERY difficult to “LOVE” my neighbor and maintain/re-balance my center.

    Practical considerations make moving a less than desirable option, so the situation has presented me with a huge spiritual challenge. I relate to the feelings you describe of falling apart – this definitely feels like a huge “test”, one where I’m forced to walk the talk in spite of challenging external circumstances.

    Now that transiting Neptune (soon to oppose T. Orcus) is about to join the mix, I can only imagine . . . :)

    I should mention that I found this post through a link provided on “Astrology Thoughts”.

    • LB says:

      This is a follow-up to my last comment. After realizing I had a strong Kassandra theme going on lately, I remembered your post on the subject and re-read it. Unfortunately, it still fits! How this relates to my Orcus comment is that I only now noticed my natal Orcus is also opposite natal Kassandra in Capricorn/4th house – by less than 1 degree. Transiting Pluto (ruler of my 3rd), as well as my progressed Moon, have recently conjoined natal Kassandra so it’s been quite the gathering – especially since everything opposes natal Orcus.

      While I don’t for a minute question the validity of what I’ve been observing (Kassandra exactly sextiles Mercury in Scorpio on the cusp of the 2nd/3rd and trines Pluto in the 12th), the one person who has any real authority to remedy the situation has failed to take my insights seriously. Instead, as I mentioned in my previous comment, there’s been a lot of lying and denying, over which I have no power.

      And naturally, any effort I make to remedy the situation becomes more about me – so now I keep my insights to myself, refusing to feed the beast. It’s become an exercise in humility as the situation continues to offer me the opportunity to find my spiritual center without relying on validation or support from outside. Thankfully, my husband (whose Scorpio Sun sextiles my Kassandra) has been very supportive. It’s not been easy, but at least we’re in this together.

      I share this stuff not because my life is so interesting, but because I find the astrological connections endlessly fascinating. The way the specific myths associated with these asteroids play out in real-life never ceases to amaze me. Thanks for bringing them to us.

  9. LB says:

    The “test” I mentioned in my previous comment definitely relates to Pluto, since recent transits directly involve my natal Pluto/Mars square. Plus, right when all this started, transiting Pluto was trine my natal Pluto and loosely quincunx natal Mars.

    I think karenbeth47 may be onto something.

    Intriguing post!

  10. LB says:

    Correction, the link was on Astropost. :)

  11. Frans says:

    when tr pluto was exact on my asc. 3 Cap, tr orcus was exact on natal pluto… Parental Alienation Syndrome became factual…
    210558; 23.15 Amsterdam.
    life is hilarious… ‘the opposite of love isn’nt hatred; it’s indifference…’

  12. Jane says:

    I still can’t figure out if Orcus is good or bad.Supposedly it operates a bit like Pluto? Well I like those Scorpionic energies so that is fine with me.I have it conjunct my Sun/Venus alongside BM Lilith so it must operate strongly in my psychology.I don’t know much about it,only hearing about it recently.Something about ‘keeping oaths’? that sounds rather vague.Would like to get some general info on it,can’t find much on the internet.Are you writing a book on the subject? I’ll have to check it out!

  13. Catharine says:

    Does Jupiter transiting conjunct natal Orcus have the same effect?

  14. Catharine says:

    Ugh. I have natal Mars and Venus at Cancer 17’46” and 17’47” respectively. In my 7th house. As well as Orcus at roughly Cancer 14’02”. How does one transform this or work with this? Maybe it’s not as bad as I am thinking?

  15. ani says:

    i am seeing that orcus is transiting my natal sun, and jupiter is transiting my natal orcus. i find that i can barely function, only doing the most basic things. luckily i only work 20 hours a week, but even that seems burdensome. i’m 45 years old now, and orcus will continue on to transit jupiter soon and a difficult stellium incl. mercury, venus and pluto for the next 25 years. I’m seeing a pattern of dark relationships i had with the contact orcus had with mars from 1986-2003 There was a savior quality tied with scathing loss. The Karmastrology writer went on to say that Orcus may bring forth spiritual wealth. I found that even though I may have gone through difficult relationships, they had a very soulful rich quality, that formed dark bridges to my future, and i couldn’t have gone forward without them (having had such an emotionally bereft childhood- I could no longer stand being alone in the world). This site has great graphics of orbits and interrelationship with neptune, pluto, the galactic center and “gate of god” opening which the mayans predicted : http://www.lunarplanner.com/asteroids-dwarfplanets/Orcus-Pluto.html

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