Sun conjunct Pluto: Minimalist or Megalomaniac?

Sun Pluto creates intense self-focus and a tendency to overpower others.

Sun Pluto creates intense self-focus and a tendency to overpower others.

One of the key functions of the solar principle in the astrology is to provide a facility by which we dignify ourselves, it creates an ideal self-awareness, an aspiration or desirable benchmark of selfhood and thus, we are given cause to strive to attain that sense of ourselves. A badly placed, stressed or underpowered Sun creates a difficulty with realising our self-ideal, or a great psychological tension in the apprehension of it. At worst it creates arrogance, hubris, conceit and confidence dysfunctions. Sun related to Jupiter and in bad aspect will give a tendency to ostentation and pretentiousness, to Saturn, pessimism and self-doubt, to Uranus, abruptness and crankiness and to Neptune self-deception and a tendency to vagueness. Where Pluto is configured to the Sun, all bets are off.

Traditional wisdom has it that the conjunction more than any contact is governed in its tone by the nature of the combining powers. For this reason, Venus-Jupiter is considered powerfully fortunate, while Saturn Pluto, and to a lesser extent Mars Saturn are considered to be among the most difficult of all conjunctive blends. The reality though is that it is extremely rare to find an outright positive combination with Pluto, regardless of aspect type. I have written about this before, wherein the key understanding of the impetus of Pluto which is to transform that within our nature that is most compulsive and is therefore by definition the most difficult aspect of being to transform, was extrapolated. Thus, for example, and rather mundanely, Pluto in the 2nd creates compulsion around financial issues and possessions, wherever Pluto is configured, and as the natural ruler of Scorpio and the 8th, the fundamental pressure is one to give up, to let go, to dig down to the bare minimum and the very essence of things in order to discover the underlying structures of true value; thus in the 2nd there is an enormous compulsion to realise the finances tangibly and without much awareness of any alternative, and yet, the native with Pluto in the 2nd must learn to give up on money if they are ever to evolve and be free of it. To some extent, wherever Pluto is found there is a Spartan ethic, a calling to minimalism, and thus, true wealth might be found. The difficulty is ever the insidious and compulsive nature of Pluto however; as Hades wore a mask of invisibility when he visited the human world, so Plutonic force operates unseen and unremarked in our lives. We are unaware for the most part that he is even there, even if – to others – his effects are blatantly obvious. We cannot look into the mirror of self-reflection and see Pluto, for he is completely disguised to us.

It is this blind and compulsive quality to Plutonic force which creates the great difficulty, for it effectively creates a profoundly subtle and insidious well of motivation; one that we are not at all aware of experientially, and wherever Hades is configured, that overbearing energy will leak out. Thus any contact to Pluto will have an undertone of dark, insidious compulsion to it.

Now consider that insight in relation to the Sun.

What it relates is the reality that the quality and condition of the Sun will be compulsively supercharged by the combination with Pluto. The innateness and obsession of the Pluto blend is however nowehere more pronounced than in the conjunction: the conjunction is by its very nature a blend, it is not – as with a square – a jarring, uncomfortable awareness of strain, nor is it – as with the trine – an easy and fluid frisson of ease, thus Plutonic force is nowhere more disguised than in the conjunction. If the Sun is an ideal then we look to the sign and house to understand the nature of the ideal self-image, and if Pluto is configured by conjunction, then immediately that ideal is given enormous, insidious and compulsive power.

Consider then Sun in Libra, conjunct Pluto. The ideal of marriage becomes paramount, compulsive and overwhelming. With Capricorn (and any children being born within the next couple of weeks will be the first for nearly 300 years to evince this combination) natives will be obsessed with the ideal of worldly achievement and career success. Thus, the Sun sign and house placement as well as any other aspects to Sun will be of primary condition in gauging the overall quality of the configuration to which Pluto will retrospectively add compulsion, power and subtle force.

Sun conjunct Pluto people are typically difficult to reconcile within relationships, their ideals are so insidious that it creates a very real difficulty for them to compromise within those bounds and because the solar principle is in effect a dominating and leading principle, it rarely allows itself to be controlled in any meaningful way. Conversely, it creates a genuine – if subtle – craving for rulership in the native. At worst it creates a martyr to one’s own ideas, somebody for whom there is simply no alternative to their vision. At best it can create an extremely powerful and forceful individual who is driven to achieve their objectives, if not always ruthlessly, certainly with unceasing drive and focus.

But there is another key observation about the Sun-Pluto conjunction.

The solar principle is also, in essence, a male principle. It is the husband in relation to the wife, therefore, in a very real way, the Sun-Pluto blend is easier to handle in a male nativity (and I have written about both Arnold Schwarzenegger and Charlie Sheen in this exact regard previously) simply because in a male chart the ideal male principle can be found within, whereas in a female astrology it must, by definition, be sourced elsewhere.

Usually through the husband, lover or other significant males within the life.

Women with Sun conjunct Pluto are often therefore drawn to seek partners who are in some way powerful, mysterious and very often wealthy in their own right. The nature of Pluto though creates a compulsion which very often seeks to test the ideal, mostly because they cannot control it directly. For the Sun Pluto wife therefore, the husband will be subtly and continually tested for weaknesses and flaws to ensure that he is still maintaining the ideal and because Plutonic force is so insidious and compulsive, this process will continue very probably for years with fairly predictable results. Eventually, a flaw or weakness is found and then it is exposed, worried at, widened and denigrated until eventually the confidence is undermined and the great fear of the Sun Pluto wife, that their chosen mate might not be able to maintain their infallible ideal, is realised. In this way, the Sun Pluto blend creates its greatest calamity, a self-fulfilling prophecy with two mostly innocent victims.

Wherever Sun conjunct Pluto is found there is an astonishing need to transform the self-image and most particularly the image of the ideal-self. For the woman with Sun in Libra conjunct Pluto she must recognise the burden she is placing upon her husband to be the perfect marriage partner for what it is: insupportable. For the wife with Sun in Capricorn conjunct Pluto likewise, her husband’s career success and status must not be the be all and end all of his purpose in her life, otherwise when he fails to live up to those inhuman expectations (as he inevitably will eventually) the marriage will suffer a real crisis and the husband will be driven away or simply broken by it. Pluto is not a sympathetic force.

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Leona Helmsley was a billionaire New York City hotel operator and real estate investor. She was a flamboyant personality and had a reputation for tyrannical behavior that earned her the nickname “Queen of Mean”. That image of Helmsley was sealed when a former housekeeper testified that she had heard Helmsley say: “We don’t pay taxes. Only the little people pay taxes …“, a saying that became notorious and identified with her for the rest of her life. She was later convicted of federal income tax evasion and other crimes in 1989 and served 19 months in prison (and two more months under house arrest), after receiving an initial sentence of 16 years.

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Leona Helmsley, hotelier. 4 July 1920 06:00 (+4:00) Marbletown, NY USA

Helmsley evinced a cazimi Venus conjunct Pluto. Sun Venus alone creates a popular and charming disposition and in the sign of Cancer a decided interest in the home, but here Pluto adds compulsion and insidious force and a real element of fanaticism in the concerns of the solar principle, so here is someone who can be fanatically charming. Venus too rules the personal finances, so an element of idealism about wealth is given a Plutonic charge and becomes an overwhelming concern. In such ways are billionaires made no doubt. Hygeia rising gives a clean-living look and feel and manner of relating too, which must have added to her charms and helped her to disguise the Hadean need for control to some extent, which, with cazimi Venus conjunct Pluto in the 12th would have manifested in a more generally unconscious fashion than usual since 12th house placements are very often suppressed and unrecognised.

So consider, an ideal of wealth (Sun conjunct Venus) realised through property and providing hotel rooms  (Cancer) which eventually devolved into imprisonment (Pluto/12th) and ultimately house arrest (Pluto in Cancer untransformed).

Had she devoted her enormous energy to a transformative Plutonic ideal: perhaps by providing shelter to the homeless then her name would be revered more than reviled, but that is the great difficulty with Pluto, if it were simple to transform, the world would be a whole lot less crazy than it is.

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43 comments on “Sun conjunct Pluto: Minimalist or Megalomaniac?

  1. [...] You may want to check out this excellent post on the meaning of the natal Sun/ Pluto conjunction http://chirotic.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/sun-conjunct-pluto-minimalist-or-megalomaniac/ [...]

  2. venusflytrap says:

    i was wondering if you might talk a bit about mercury-pluto since the aspect just happened a few days ago. i knew a person with merc-pluto in her natal chart and, well, there’s a reason why i used the past tense there.

    • chirotic says:

      In the worst case, Mercury – Pluto, most especially the conjunction, creates a compulsive talker. This is someone who can just talk and talk with little or no awareness of the concept of conversation. Conjunctions more than any other aspect type are coloured by the sign and house, thus the blend in Virgo is not so bad since mutable earth is practical, flexible and none too assertive. In Leo it’s going to be much more dominating and in Libra very charming with it, if not a little too smooth. I’ve not met anyone with the conjunction in Scorpio yet, but I wouldn’t want to get on the wrong side of them.
      The opposition is interesting. George Patton had it (I believe) and it explains why he was called ‘blood and guts’, since he had a tendency to just tell it like it is, unadorned and rather brutally.
      I have a mutual reception of Mercury – Pluto which I believe gives a propensity for deep thinking and all Me/Pl combinations evince some tendency to getting underneath the surface level of thought and communication, that can be very uncomfortable for others if Pluto is not remotely transformed.

  3. CoolBlue says:

    Very interesting post. I’m curious: How would you compare/contrast a 1st House Pluto with the Sun conj. Pluto aspect you discuss here? The first house and ascendant is often interpreted as ‘the face you show to the world’ (i.e., your identity, much like the Sun). So how would 1st house Pluto manifest?

    I’ve known a few people with this placement, who also seem to have an ‘intense self-focus and a tendency to overpower others.’

    • chirotic says:

      Pluto rising is not very easy, but no way as overwhelmingly self-focused as the Solar conjunction. I think it’s more incidental, perhaps more obviously and outwardly Plutonic too, and it’s the one placement where the Pluto factor is not as subtle as it would normally be. This is important actually because the big difficulty with Sun-Pluto is that it is so subjectively intrinsic, others don’t see it, but whatever touches the Ascendant really does have a profound effect on others’ perceptions.
      The Ascendant is also concerned very much with first impressions, rather than lasting ones too, so that has to be relevant. Worst case, first house Pluto has to be careful that they don’t interact too intensely because it can sometimes be a bit freaky for others to deal with and very often, Pluto rising can get projected onto by others if they’re not careful. I see that happen a lot, not sure of Jeff concurs, but it’s a common experience.

      • lilith says:

        I have Sun conjunct Pluto conjunct Lilith on Libra 1. house square Moon on Capricorn 4. house. It’ s amazing how well your description of Pluto fits me. I’m really so intense in my expressions that I have to disguise myself in conversations for not being perceived as too freaky/strange. When I joke (mostly ironically) people misunderstand it and think I’m telling the truth. And I always feel that powerful strain inside me to develop myself and people close to me psychologically/professionally.

  4. Tim Burton has a Sun-Pluto conjunction in Virgo. (chart)

    Although I don’t know much about his personal life (beyond his marriage to HBCarter) or directing style, he seems to have done a pretty outstanding job of channeling the darkness and compulsivity of Pluto into his filmmaking.

    • chirotic says:

      @ Jeff: RE Tim Burton: A profoundly interesting chart actually, most especially because Pluto is Cazimi (and how!), which completely exalts the Plutonic force. Somehow, Hades just ceases to be uncomfortable in those cases (same with Alicia Silverstone). Pluto purified, and that’s a chart I shall definitely be adding to my files :)

  5. CoolBlue, I have a First House Pluto (Virgo Rising), and have for a long-time recognize that I’m self-obsessed. I think I come across as pretty Scorpionic in my own way.

    I don’t think I overpower others, but I have been known to be pretty stuck in having certain people doing things the way I want them to, which doesn’t necessarily improve my life circumstances :)

  6. CoolBlue says:

    Jeffrey, thanks — I’m trying to understand the nuance of these influences so it helps to look at examples.

    For instance: I had a former manager who had Aquarius Sun and Pluto in the 1st (which I learned after a few years working together). Over time he revealed himself to be a very CONTROLLING, and fairly ruthless, competitive person, insistent on his way of doing things, and clever (Sun conj. Mercury) at trying to conceal this. We would hear him relate entertaining stories (Leo ascendant) about power struggles between him and his 2 teenage sons, and while it wasn’t my place to comment, I was always shocked at how controlling he was. It wasn’t good enough that they mowed the lawn; they HAD to do it the way HE wanted it done.

    Also, with that 1st h Pluto, it seemed like his identity always involved transforming his situation, which I read as Aquarius=bucking tradition plus Pluto=destroying existing structures and placing himself at the center of the new. More than once, he worked to engineer a reorganization in our office that put him in charge. His chart also had a dose of Capricorn (Mars and Venus) so that added an energy of determined force.

    Not sure what explains it in MY chart, but I actively and passively resisted most of his efforts to control me and my work. It eventually led to being quite disillusioned with him as a friend and an authority figure, and we parted ways professionally.

  7. CoolBlue says:

    Just a clarification: The manager I mentioned had Sun conj. Merc in Aquarius in the 6th house, not the 1st. (The way I wrote it in the original post, it sounded like both Sun and Pluto were in the 1st – no.)

  8. Togi says:

    I have sun conjunct pluto + sun conjunct uranus in the 10th in Virgo. It’s like being a beast among men and having to reign in your true nature all the time.

    Quote: For the Sun Pluto wife therefore, the husband will be subtly and continually tested for weaknesses and flaws to ensure that he is still maintaining the ideal and because Plutonic force is so insidious and compulsive, this process will continue very probably for years with fairly predictable results.

    No one has quite hit the nail on the head to describe me like that before. It’s a very difficult energy to have bubbling under the surface and it’s a bitch on relationships.

    • chirotic says:

      @Togi: it is tough, but the key to transformation is, as ever, self-awareness. Actually you have the exact same combination as Charlie Sheen I believe, and his relationships appear to be quite hard work. I wish you all the best :)

  9. Togi says:

    Oh no! A comparison to Charlie Sheen…the horror! I have progressed sun in Scorpio and Scorpio rising which I think mixes up the Virgo energies somewhat. I ‘feel’ more like a Scorpio anyway. Thanks for your response.

  10. CoolBlue says:

    Thanks, Jeremy for the added explanations — this is fascinating! BTW, I can relate to General Patton, as I have Merc. opposed Pluto, too….

  11. d says:

    i have sun conjunct pluto in the 8th house libra. what are yr thoughts on that since the 8th house is pluto’s playground? thanks!

  12. Ann says:

    I have my Sun conjunct Pluto with a 0 degree orb in Scorpio you said a lot about Pluto in Libra but isn’t Pluto weak in Libra and perfect in Scorpio? Can you tell me more about Pluto in Scorpio combusted the sun?

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  15. Nikki says:

    Ann, I have the same question, lol. I have sun conj Pluto (closer to 1 degree orb) in Scorpio as well, and I can’t seem to find much on this. The aspect is in the 5th house.

  16. chirotic says:

    Ann/Nikki,
    Pluto is not ‘weak’ anywhere, but there are signs in which his essential nature is harder to express. If we understand that Pluto is fundamentally transformative but inaccessible then what is more important are the contacts he makes to personal planets. These become opportunities to access and transform the themes and energies involved.

    Therefore, what is important in your cases is the Sun conjunction.

    In my view this conjunction because it is in Pluto’s domicile will be especially difficult, when we talk about dignity and debility we are really talking about ease of expression (see my recent article of dignity and debility for more insight) so Pluto here is easier to express, not stronger or weaker, but he can only be expressed through aspects to personla planets or the angles.

    This means that the fixity and control-instinct of Scorpio will be supercharged by the conjunction with Pluto in his sign, this creates an enormous impetus to control, through subtle and mostly unconscious means, situations, environments and people with whom you are configured. As women you will furthermore tend to project – through the solar principle – this energy onto men in your life. No doubt you seek mysterious, powerful males with whom to share your life and all might be well with that unless the transformation does not stick, in which case, and over the long term (more likely in mid-life therefore) you might run into serious relationship difficulties as a result.

    The pattern is formed in childhood, no doubt father was either remote and autocratic or in some way flawed and seemingly uncontrolled as a result.

    The key therefore is a great anxiety about not being in control which ought to be especially urgent in Scorpio, but for the same reason, especially difficult to get hold of, often because it is projected. You no doubt will feel as though everything is very neatly and easily controlled and it could be that others seem to you to be ‘out of control’ by comparison but actually (and this is so often the case that it bears analysis) for Sun-Pluto people, when things go wrong, the wheels can really come off for them and all of this unconscious fear just erupts.

    Usually for Sun-Pluto women it follows a classic pattern. They find their ideal mate, a mysterious, controlled and often actually sinister type (he may even have a somewhat criminal aura!) and they settle down for the long-haul. Several years in, they start to notice his weaknesses and flaws to the extent that he becomes defensive. The dynamics play out until he feels completely undermined and you wonder what happened to the controlled and powerful persona you were so attracted to. Then he leaves.

    That’s when the storm hits, and it’s a real crisis if Sun-Pluto isn’t faced and transformed.

    How do you do that? Honesty, meditation, and an absolute refusal to allow yourself to dominate others. It takes a real self-discipline to make it work though.

    Of course, this is a gross generalisation, and your entire astrology will give a much clearer picture overall.

  17. Togi says:

    You just described my last relationship to an exact T. The only reason it lasted so long was that he had strong pluto also and I found him somewhat impenetrable. Once I did finally wear him down he left. Still. A relationship with a ‘regular’ person is scarier than anything. What’s so compelling about someone if you can figure them out in two seconds flat? It’s a damned if you do and damned if you don’t life I figure. I also have pluto conjunct MC. How does this play out?

  18. Nikki says:

    Wow, thank you chirotic for the reply! Interesting, you accurately describe the sort of men I’m attracted to for the most part, but yes it really does vary – other parts of the chart are responsible for that I’m sure. It’s difficult to comment on how this aspect plays out with regards to relationships. I’ve only had one semi-serious relationship and from that one alone I notice that the power-plays are very subdued. I find that the control/obsessive/compulsive tendencies are played out much more within myself than to the other person; he was very scorpio and I’m not even sure he felt this aspect. Perhaps it’s because I’m still very young? I’m 20. Anyhow, I feel the biggest obstacle with this aspect is with it’s placement in my 5th house, it seems to really inhibit me. I’m terrified of personal expression until I’m completely comfortable, which doesn’t always happen or takes a long time. I feel I’m scared of my myself sometimes.

    Thanks again for the insight!

  19. ag says:

    I have sun and mercury square pluto. My gf has venus and moon square pluto. Our composite chart has mars opposite pluto. Her mars conjuncts my venus, and my mars quincuxs her venus.
    We have found each other after many setbacks in relationships. And decided, from start, to be absolute sincere to each other, and talk openly about any sort of problem. We have been growing a lot since then. My last relationship also had a pluto-venus square and I left after she wore me off. I don’t want this to happen now, so I don’t pretend to be “the sun” of the relationship and try to not dominate my new gf. I try to have a very balanced relationship with her, we share the duties and everything.
    Finally I am feeling that I love and I am being loved. Its not easy anyway.
    hope this helps.
    Sometimes I feel like I am no-one, quite unsafe, and she helps me either in a soft or demanding way. I often reasure her that she knows how to love and that she is perfectly loved just by being what she is – a fantastic woman like any other. And I have a lot of patience when she seems to not love anything but her work (moon in capricorn square pluto in libra).
    We talked about the good thing in our relationship and what came first was how we are being transformed to the best, even knowing that we started as lovers with a huge deal of sexual compulsion.
    Now we feel each time more peaceful with each other, and our dream is to create a home that we can feel safe and at ease with each other.
    Our composite north node is in taurus, so I think that is the goal of the relationship – a nurturing and peaceful place so we can grow, finally.
    ps: both of us were sexually abused as children and she had a manipulative mother while I had a demanding father.

  20. Deathgate says:

    I work in a company and quickly I gained a lot of power. The sun-pluto conjunction has helped me a lot.
    I believe that in relationships it doesn’t help much because you tend to focus too much on yourself and not on the significant other.

  21. 33bowls says:

    James Cameron: Sun/Pluto conjunct in the focal point of a YOD with Chiron and Moon. I am convinced it’s all Archetypes, all the time…

  22. Raisa says:

    I have a Sun Pluto Lilith conjunction in Libra, the 5th house. I do try to find flaws in my partner but only because he is abusive to me in every way but I dont find any strength to leave him. I feel the need to find something so wrong that would overcome my low self esteem and constant guilt and push me to leave him once for all. He is toxic. Why do I experience all this? Why do I feel the need to punish myself? I could be carefree and happy with someone who would treat me right.

  23. Nicola says:

    Can you please give me some insight into what a sun/pluto conj in the 5th house is like? I have a general idea but there’s nothing too specific online.

    Thank you!

  24. Hiboux says:

    I have Pluto conjunct Sun 1 degree from Scorpio
    Pluto conjuct mercury 1 degree from scorpio
    Pluto conjunct saturn in Scorpio
    All in the fourth house
    Moon in Taurus opp saturn scorpio
    I am the epitomy of Unrestrained explosion.

    • Hiboux says:

      Mine is an almostpainful existance. I am howver content that I have conj. and not square. I feel it gives a little wiggle room to work with :)

  25. Hiboux says:

    Oh, an pluto square ascendant.

  26. Elizabeth says:

    I though I posted a comment. What happened?

  27. Pluto Puppy says:

    A Very interesting blog. The Will is indeed extremely evident the manifestations of my life. I am a 5 planet Scorpio stellium, of which includes 4 planets (Mars) in the 8th House. I have recently turned 36. My progressive Sun is now 2 degrees Capricorn, in the 10th, conjunct Pluto 5 degrees in the 10th that also conjuncts my Jupiter Midhevean.

    I was born with volcanic intensity and a deep psychological depth. I have experienced tremendous pains and learend from my misdeeds. My life has evolved with life changing meaning because of such intense deaths and awakenings of ego and emotions.

    I have learned what the abuse of social power is. I see the deception of this darkness in people very rapidly… because this same unconscious deception ravaged my inner-worlds, my behavior, my deeds and motivations that now my consciousness is aware of liberating such dark evil wickedness and transforming such energies into soulful goodness and virtue.

    Mars, Mercury and Uranus in Scorpio and in my 8th House re-birth tremendous greater levels of being.

    If anybody could imagine the God of War- Mars, in Scorpio AND IN the 8th, you could imagine the catastrophic war going inside one-self. These life lessons are nothing pretty or casual.

    I have literally changed from a deep Core Identity and from the Inside-Out. The outside “reality of things” is now understood to slight, trick and manipulate those who are blind and weak to see such intentions. My existence is to unveil such evil and bring it to light and to give every breath and moment a Meaning.

    I am now receptive to life, not wanting to control the Source of life (God) but to work within him, his energy and to continue to grow as a man.

    cheers;)

  28. Dark Sky says:

    Pluto Puppy,
    thanks for sharing. That was very interesting. So, you’re saying that you were a rather bad and wicked person but you managed to realize it and transform although it caused you great pain? I never thought that people entrenched in power abuse and manipulations could change to such an extent. My observation is that people actually never truly change, they just find work-arounds. So what you’re saying is really exciting. If you ever happen to come back to that site and care to share details, it’d be great. I’m curious at what age your transformation started, what events triggered it, and how long it took to transform. Thanks

  29. Cancercorn Tigress says:

    WOW!Pluto Puppy I really relate to your experience! I was born in the Chinese year of The Tiger. I Have my Sun, Venus and Mercury all in Cap (4th House) Squaring Pluto in Libra in the First, My Mars sextiles Pluto and Saturn Squares Pluto. Right now Transiting Pluto is Conjunct my Sun!!! I ordered the book Pluto: The Evolutionary Journey of The Soul by Jeff Green. This book was recommended to me from another blog and it has been very helpful!!! Oh I almost forgot My moon is also trine to this Pluto. My Life is an interesting Volcanic, Turmultuous Beautiful Journey. I have a genuine desire to penetrate and deeply connect and relieve the pain of others. I wonder if people are having fullfilled sex lives and will even ask them! I tend to attract partners though that reflect my early parental environment of Shame around sex. I have attracted partners who are possessive and domineering and reinforce a lack of trust around me and sex. I believe that my own lack of approval with respect to my sex and touch needs have kept this cycle in place.I am Healer and deeply empathic and empathetic and intuitive by nature. I am a liscenced massage therapist. But my vocation has not thrived because of my inner turmoil around whatever intimate relationship i may be in. Venus in Cap int he Fourth opposing Saturn in Cancer in the 10th and both Sqaring Pluto!!!!! Once i embrace my nature my vocation will line up and my relationship will then embrace them both…scary though….cuz with Sun Square Pluto I don’t want to upset the Man, but i must liberate myself and purposes to make the kind of difference i came to make!!!The Man I’m with right now btw is a Sun, Venus Scorpio with a Cancer Moon conjunct Cancer Rising…

  30. Carmen says:

    Hi :) mine’s a sun pluto conj. In partile/or exact conjunction in the fourth house scorpio , may you tell me what this can mean please?, I do f***ing struggle! i love this article by the way ! ;)

  31. lv says:

    This blog is so very insightful about the Pluto influence. It is almost hidden, but oh, so powerful. Thank you too for the reflection of the differentials in values culturally, vis a vis women and men. I, a woman, have a relatively tight stellium, all in Virgo: Ur/Pl/Sun/Merc. Since I do not have my time of birth, I do not know in which house. My guess is that it might be related to the world, since my allurement, and work (and purpose), is all about the transformation of consciousness. Any feedback on, or experience with that stellium would be sincerely appreciated.

  32. JenL says:

    Thanks for the post. Born with Sun in Leo conjunct Pluto, and Pluto also conjunct Mars and Mercury.(also Venus, Mars, Mercury and Jupiter conjunct my Sun) I don’t think it means things are hopeless if you have this in your chart. Rather, you bring your darkness to light and transform yourself. You make the unconscious victim/perpetrator pattern conscious so you don’t have to live it out in the world. Also, it’s important to find something you’re passionate about, something that gives your life transcendent meaning. For me, that’w writing. I’ve also done lots of therapy, twelve step work(hello codependence/relationship addiction)shamanism,and self defense training, plumbing the depths, music, journaling. If you don’t deal with your darkness, it seeks you out.

  33. Elizabeth says:

    I have pluto conjunct sun in libra 29 degrees conjunct saturn and mercury in scorpio all 4th house….

  34. Maya Panika says:

    Fascinating – if slightly scary – stuff. I just drew up my lunar return (tomorrow) and found Sun conjunct Pluto on the ascendant. I don;t usually take much notice of lunar returns, but this one is so intense, it’s got me trawling the net looking for answers. :)

  35. I&I says:

    I have a Pluto | Sun conjunction in Libra with my Sun trine to my moon in Aquarius. I also have Saturn in Libra. For me, what I see consciously, is the Libran tendency to subordinate the needs of self to the harmony of relationship but also, an intense and definitely obsessive focus on my relationships. I tend to develop very strong feelings early on and struggle to keep this from overwhelming the other person. There is also a tendency, as I have read elsewhere, for victim scenarios to surface in my relationships, where I cast myself as victim and use guilt for control. Recognizing that I am only one half of a relationship and therefore can never fully control my relationships is what I’m working on now. Knowing my own needs and boundaries in relationship and living true to those is the most control I can hope to have. Letting the chips fall where they may is liberating!

  36. Kgirl says:

    I’m a female also & have Sun conj ASC & Pluto in Libra all in 1st, Mars in 8th and Moon conj Venus in Scorpio. cuppa Pluto anyone? lol. Sometimes it is just too much!! Honestly, I think I am less intense than during my youth when there was so much energy boiling and bubbling, I drew conflict, attack & power struggles like a magnet. Scary. Maybe things have smoothed out due to progression? But I have been told resentfully more than once that I’m pretty darn “self-focused.” Sigh.

    I am not dominating over friends or socially but at home or a vocation I am passionate about, it’s a different matter. It is TOUGH on relationships – most men are emasculated and strong men, I notice I tend to spar with. I’m self made and also rose fast career-wise but require lots of freedom and autonomy at work or I go crazy! It is really hard for me to partner – not many folks have the same drive. I’ve had lots of relationships (Jup in 5th) but so far not married & very much enjoy my own space. I’ve had some sweet guys that eventually I overpowered & lost respect for. My husband/life partner will have to be strong but NOT sinister. I’ve attracted the bad boy thing and just…Yuck! (I have Jupiter in 5th trine Sun/ASC/Pluto and Neptune sext. Sun and Jupiter so I like positive, upstanding, creative folk. Immorality or general creepiness is a huge turn off.) I am fairly live and let live but if someone really crosses me or I find they are cheating or abusing others – watch out!!!

    Seems I am going through a more Uranian phase lately and it is all about freedom. In my progressed, Uranus recently crossed my ASC, I have Mercury conj. Uranus also in 1st natally and Uranus is currently opposing my Sun and transiting my 7th.

    However, I think the natal pluto oomph will always be with you and it does lend regenerative power and distinct life phases of death and rebirth – particularly in 1st. Folks often comments that my physical looks have changed completely – they don’t even often recognize me. ;}

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